[Glitch99]

What's a "RMC"? I know they're a coaster manufacturer. But how would 99% of park visitors know a coaster is a RMC verses any other manufacturer, let alone consider it to be a requirement?

[tarheel1231]

You can’t pressure management into giving you anything.

Parks don’t base decisions off of what enthusiasts want. That’s not how it works.

They’ll add what best fits their customer base and are budgeted for.

Also, regional parks very rarely ‘compete’ with each other. Parks consider other day long attractions as competition, not other parks. (Offer not valid in California, Pennsylvania, Orlando, and San Antonio).

Someone should post this to KI Central.

[Coasterphreak]

Cedar Fair has made it pretty clear that they prefer to invest in major installations from manufacturers that have a proven track record of rides that work properly from day one and don't suffer a bunch of extended downtime in their first season. (or second, or third...)

[RollerBee]

You can’t pressure management into giving you anything.

Parks don’t base decisions off of what enthusiasts want. That’s not how it works.

They’ll add what best fits their customer base and are budgeted for.

Also, regional parks very rarely ‘compete’ with each other. Parks consider other day long attractions as competition, not other parks. (Offer not valid in California, Pennsylvania, Orlando, and San Antonio).

Someone should post this to KI Central.

Explain Whizzer at SFGAm

[Edwardo]

That decision wasn’t made because of enthusiasts. The switch was made for other reasons, and that’s assuming it wasn’t just marketing in the first place. And had nothing to do with public outcry. They simply used that as a marketing ploy.

Have you ever been there? They announced Whizzer leaving in 2002 for the 2003 attraction (the B&M flyer). You don’t actually think they last minute decided “hey, let’s completely change our plans and not put this cloned coaster on hilly terrain where whizzer is, that isn’t large enough, with not enough clearance, even though we’ve been planning and designing it for a couple years, because we could just get rid of the coaster on flat ground that no one really rides and is nearing the end of its service life soon anyway”?

Yeah, that makes logical sense.

But you’re not going to entertain that so I’m not sure why I bothered to answer lol.

If you honestly think multimillion dollar businesses base decisions on the reaction of less than a tenth of a percent of their customer base, many not even located in their market, then no coherent argument will persuade you otherwise.

[Brian6035]

Y’all would really prefer a dive coaster over an RMC? IMO We should be pressuring management to give us an RMC, most of the other big cedar fair parks have an RMC. A ground up I-box would be spectacular. I don’t think it’s too much to ask, if Cedar Fair really wants to make Carowinds the thrill capital of the south it needs an RMC. Once Gwazi is finished getting RMCd BGT will have a better coaster lineup than us. Can’t let that happen.

Eventually Carowinds will get a RMC, Having one will soon become a prerequisite for top end parks across the country. However, CF is not making decisions based on BGT, they aren't an actual direct competitor,,they are 560 miles away, there are a dozen parks closer to Carowinds The 2 parks that are direct competition are SFOG & Dollywood, etc...that have RMC's. Dollywood has one of the best RMC's

I think the “well then Carowinds won’t have a wooden coaster” argument against RMC’ing Hurler is week. The general public will still consider it wooden and who says you NEED a wooden coaster? Not having one will be used by pundits against Carowinds but at the end of the day it really doesn’t matter, the vast majority of people just want the best coasters regardless of what they’re made of.

[Brian6035]

You can’t pressure management into giving you anything.

Parks don’t base decisions off of what enthusiasts want. That’s not how it works.

They’ll add what best fits their customer base and are budgeted for.

Also, regional parks very rarely ‘compete’ with each other. Parks consider other day long attractions as competition, not other parks. (Offer not valid in California, Pennsylvania, Orlando, and San Antonio).

Someone should post this to KI Central.

lol The posters on KIC are freaking out right now because they don’t like the layout of their new giga. Such first world problems.

[Coasterphreak]

Y’all would really prefer a dive coaster over an RMC? IMO We should be pressuring management to give us an RMC, most of the other big cedar fair parks have an RMC. A ground up I-box would be spectacular. I don’t think it’s too much to ask, if Cedar Fair really wants to make Carowinds the thrill capital of the south it needs an RMC. Once Gwazi is finished getting RMCd BGT will have a better coaster lineup than us. Can’t let that happen.

Eventually Carowinds will get a RMC, Having one will soon become a prerequisite for top end parks across the country. However, CF is not making decisions based on BGT, they aren't an actual direct competitor,,they are 560 miles away, there are a dozen parks closer to Carowinds The 2 parks that are direct competition are SFOG & Dollywood, etc...that have RMC's. Dollywood has one of the best RMC's

I think the “well then Carowinds won’t have a wooden coaster” argument against RMC’ing Hurler is week. The general public will still consider it wooden and who says you NEED a wooden coaster? Not having one will be used by pundits against Carowinds but at the end of the day it really doesn’t matter, the vast majority of people just want the best coasters regardless of what they’re made of.

You want an RMC creation at Carowinds. We get it.

[yawetag]

I think an RMC, whether conversion of Hurler or ground-up would be obvious to the GP. The general mindset of wooden coasters is that they don't go upside down, so an RMC would be very marketable to the non-enthusiast.

[Edwardo]

No, the general mindset of people is that if the structure is wood, that’s a wood coaster. People refer to Gemini as a wooden coaster. Heck people refer to mine trains as wooden coasters.

[yawetag]

That fact makes my point. GP expects a "wood coaster" to have hills and turns only. Once you have one that goes UPSIDE DOWN!!!, it instantly becomes more marketable to the GP.

[RollerBee]

That decision wasn’t made because of enthusiasts. The switch was made for other reasons, and that’s assuming it wasn’t just marketing in the first place. And had nothing to do with public outcry. They simply used that as a marketing ploy.

Have you ever been there? They announced Whizzer leaving in 2002 for the 2003 attraction (the B&M flyer). You don’t actually think they last minute decided “hey, let’s completely change our plans and not put this cloned coaster on hilly terrain where whizzer is, that isn’t large enough, with not enough clearance, even though we’ve been planning and designing it for a couple years, because we could just get rid of the coaster on flat ground that no one really rides and is nearing the end of its service life soon anyway”?

Yeah, that makes logical sense.

But you’re not going to entertain that so I’m not sure why I bothered to answer lol.

If you honestly think multimillion dollar businesses base decisions on the reaction of less than a tenth of a percent of their customer base, many not even located in their market, then no coherent argument will persuade you otherwise.

Nope, never been to SFGAm. You do make some good points but I fail to understand why they would bother with such a odd marketing ploy. That would like Carowinds announcing the removal of Thunder Road for Carolina Harbor then removing Cyclone instead.

Not a good example but the only other coaster that would have been realistic would be Cobra and I doubt anyone would have raise their voices for it.

[Grobble]

What's a "RMC"? I know they're a coaster manufacturer. But how would 99% of park visitors know a coaster is a RMC verses any other manufacturer, let alone consider it to be a requirement?

GP's don't have to know it's a RMC , they just think they are great and unique. it brings them thru the gate whether they know the manufacturer or not. They are like, "Wow, a wood coaster structure that has inversions". I have over heard GP's many times talking about RMC's and not knowing it. It's kind of funny listening to them try to explain a RMC to their other GP friends. Last year at BGW I heard a guy talking about how he had ridden Twisted Colussus a few years ago(he didn't know the name) and wanted to ride the new inverting wood coaster he heard about at SFOG(again didn't know the name). All the guy knew was TC was really fun and there was something new like it. I eventually interjected that KD has a new RMC and it's a short trip to KD from BGW. Guy was sold in minutes on an alteration to the trip for a day at KD. I also talked up I-305. He was again like wow 300ft, 93mph...the family has to go. GP's are so much fun sometimes.
If Carowinds puts in a RMC, GP's like this guy & his family will be easily sold, though they have no idea who makes the coaster. It's just a wood structure coaster that inverts, that's fun. That's the notion of requirement is more it sets a park apart to GP's. GP's don't know the details, but they will potentially come if they know a park has it.

[Edwardo]

Your failure to understand doesn’t negate anything.

[RollerBee]

Your failure to understand doesn’t negate anything.

I ain’t expecting it to, I was hoping you would help me understand maybe by pointing out what angle I am missing.