[claxicorn]

Negative percent? That doesnt really mean anything

[tarheel1231]

[dirkdiggler1992]

Be happy to get anything the year after a major coaster addition. You know what Kings Island got this year? A restaurant. The days of back-to-back coaster additions like we seen in the 2000s just don’t happen anymore, at least outside of conversions or relocations. They weren’t smart business moves then and they still aren’t.

[gabed]

Exactly. I’m honestly shocked CP did Steel Vengeance this close to Valravn. Adding a coaster each year is reckless spending that nearly sunk both Six Flags and Cedar Fair.

[mdsmith98]

I don’t see a coaster in 2020. I think the next coaster carowinds will get will be a nice GCI in the Dino’s spot. If this happens, we would be looking at 2021 at the earliest. If Dino’s closes at the end of 2019, they have to have time to clear the land, and prepare the land for the next addition. So 2021 at the earliest in my opinion

[tarheel1231]

I mean Cedar Point is more profitable than Carowinds and every other Cedar Fair Park. Comparing investment at CP to Carowinds is apples to oranges.

[RW_Fury325]

Macks megacoasters are usually pretty pricey, so I'd expect a price range of around 15-20 million. ICON was about 19 million USD I think.

[Grobble]

Be happy to get anything the year after a major coaster addition. You know what Kings Island got this year? A restaurant. The days of back-to-back coaster additions like we seen in the 2000s just don’t happen anymore, at least outside of conversions or relocations. They weren’t smart business moves then and they still aren’t.

KI is the worst possible example b/c Cedar Fair in their investor presentations called KI I "mature market". That's a nice way to say they expect slow or minimal growth and low ROI compared to the markets they designated as having a "high number of qualified guests" and were thus"under served" and "were growth markets." CGA and Carowinds are receiving massive investments b/c of this, Other parks like Wonderland, CGA, Carowinds, CO, KB were cited as prioritized.

On the notion of coasters in rapid succession. CP got Rogorou, 2015 Valryvn 2016 , and then Steel Vengeance 2018. CGA got Patriot 2017, Railblazer 2019, and are getting a hyper in 2020. The notion Carowinds could not get a coaster 2019, Voretx floorless in 2020 and then a new coaster in 2022 is very possible. When CF believes they will get the ROI they will invest, Carowinds and CGA are the new parks in that category of CF believes will deliver the ROI to justify their long term investment plans. CGA is in phase 1 and Carowinds in phase 2 of their respective plans. These are only "not smart business" if the ROI doesn't come, the fact is CF has stated their pleasure with Carowinds growth(EBIDTA and Revenue) from the 50M phase 1 investment.

[dirkdiggler1992]

The comment I was replying to suggested a new coaster in 2020, it ain’t happening. Excluding the standup conversions (aka new paint and trains), none of those parks have received two new coasters in back-to-back years since being hailed as “prioritized parks” or whatever. They all have at least a two year gap in between. If we are using the CP and CGA comparison then I guess our next coaster would be Floortex, now that could be a possibility for 2020 (yawn).

[Cameron]

I agree. It's not impossible but also not likely. 2021 is a different story. I wouldn't be shocked if the park opened in 2020 with construction walls around dinos. Until then the only thing I care about is this beast of a coaster we are getting right now. Way too excited.

[claxicorn]

^ Exactly my point. Its not impossible (like all of you are saying) that we'll get a coaster, but unlikely. No one here knows what's going through the minds of the people in charge of Cedar Fair.

[RollerBee]

https://youtu.be/qSXssQp0FhI
Next season as in Fall at Dorney, I highly doubt Carowinds is getting two coasters back to back.

Not gonna work. Apparently if you try to be realistic about the teasers, you’re not “letting everyone just enjoy the teasing speculation”.

I am just going to quote a wise man.

[Christopher Mallis]

Honestly I think with Dino’s closing at end of 2019 season it will just stay there vacant It is unlikely for a coaster in 2020 but not impossible. If you’d sk me and many others agree I just think Carowinds needs to get rid of vortex completely and build a nice compact coaster there to make carousel park a more popular section of the park as they just have a bunch of old and reused things there. With all of the land possibilities with Carowinds I wouldn’t be surprised if we see 2 coasters popping up in the next 5-6 years. A dive coaster may be soon for Carowinds and not a wing why is ay this? CP added a wing in 2013 and we haven’t seen one in the chain ever since I just don’t think it will happen. The future of hurler In my opinion should just be retracted considering it was the 4th most ridden ride last year I think a lot of people like it and it just needs some love added to it.

[Jackalope1217]

If they trash vortex we should get a gerst there.

[Cameron]

Carousel Park would look amazing if they just did cosmetic things like a new facade on the theater and maybe a roof over scramble matching the carousel structure.