General Carowinds discussion
By Grobble
#106664
Coasterphreak wrote:Cedar Fair doesn't plan to add a major coaster at any of its gates for 2020 which was my (poorly stated) original point.


The thought CF is adding no coasters in 2020 is a LOL X 1 Million notion!
By Coasterphreak
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Please note that I said "major coaster". I'd be interested to hear which park(s) you think will receive a large installation for 2020.

To clarify: I'm defining a major coaster as an eight figure investment, which is in line with what Cedar Fair usually spends for large installations.
By Grobble
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Coasterphreak wrote:Please note that I said "major coaster". I'd be interested to hear which park(s) you think will receive a large installation for 2020.

To clarify: I'm defining a major coaster as an eight figure investment, which is in line with what Cedar Fair usually spends for large installations.


1) CF doesn't really ever put in non major coasters by the standard you defined...10M+

2)CF always puts in a major coaster somewhere every year, even in 1 coaster years

3)CF core Capex is not decreasing, Capex excluding hotel/resort stuff is scheduled to be 140 -145M. Spending that much money w/o coasters is unthinkable.

4)The initial premise there is no construction or clearing April 2019 thus nothing is coming is 2020 is nonsensical. Most coasters can be built starting clearing/construction in July or August, or even later. The early start on Yukon Striker and Steel Vengeance were for a particular reasons. YS had a lot of additional engineering to be done, it was in an actual flood plain and they were doing a tunnel. SV was the biggest/longest RMC and conversions take longer. A ground up RMC I-Box, TT could be started much later if CF wanted to go that route, Even a smaller conversion could be started late, like Six Flags has done with essentially all of theirs.

The only parks completely out of the running for a coaster in 2020 are Wonderland & Carowinds. Most likely parks CGA,Cedar Point, Kings Island, Dorney, and maybe Valley Fair
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By coasterbruh
#106773
Coasterphreak wrote:Here's a question: are ANY Cedar Fair parks getting a new coaster for 2020? I'm starting to think not, because groundwork would have begun by now.

Better . . .???
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By mark40511
#106776
Reading through some of the comments about Nighthawk got me thinking. Nighthawk was Vekoma's FIRST flying coaster, right? So that would make it OLDER than Firehawk, right? Kings Island said Firehawk reached the end of its life, and yet Nighthawk is OLDER. LOL

And don't get me started on that awful Vortex coaster. That's literally my least favorite major coaster in the park. B&M's second coaster I believe?
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By Chris
#106778
mark40511 wrote:And don't get me started on that awful Vortex coaster. That's literally my least favorite major coaster in the park. B&M's second coaster I believe?

It's their 3rd coaster. It's the oldest unmodified B&M currently running.
  1. Iron Wolf - Six Flags Great America - Opened 4/28/1990 (relocated to Six Flags America as Apocalypse. Converted to floorless and renamed Firebird in 2019).
  2. Vortex - California's Great America - Opened 3/9/1991 (converted to floorless and renamed Patriot in 2017)
  3. Vortex - Carowinds - Opened 3/14/1992 (unmodified, original name)
  4. Batman The Ride - Six Flags Great America - Opened 5/9/1992 (The original inverted coaster. unmodified, original name)
By Edwardo
#106782
mark40511 wrote:Reading through some of the comments about Nighthawk got me thinking. Nighthawk was Vekoma's FIRST flying coaster, right? So that would make it OLDER than Firehawk, right? Kings Island said Firehawk reached the end of its life, and yet Nighthawk is OLDER


When any park says they’re getting rid of a ride because it’s reached the end of its service life, what they mean is they no longer wish to spend money on servicing the ride. They could, but they’ve chosen not to budget for it.

And LOL to Knotts and the Disneyland Resort being competitors. No.

SFMM and Knotts, but not the two Disney parks and the resort.
By Techedchart1551
#106785
Nighthawk has been down last three days. I don't know why.

I also noticed that the original paint job is beginning to show.
Not Borg's paint, but the paint job from when it operated as Stealth at California's Great America. I found that quite interesting.
A way to look at this is from the queue of Vortex. Look at the area after the lift hill.

Back to the topic of Nighthawk being down, I've begun to speculate a little even though all of my ideas are probably not true whatsoever. Here's what I think might be going on

A. They are going to repaint the areas that Stealth is beginning to show.
B. They are doing repairs. I don't think this is the case, because I saw nobody near the station or the transfer track/maintenance shed.
C. They didn't have enough employees to operate the ride. This is the most likely.
D. NiGhThAwK mIgHt ClOsE fOrEvEr I gUeSs!?
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By mdsmith98
#106787
Techedchart1551 wrote:Nighthawk has been down last three days. I don't know why.

I also noticed that the original paint job is beginning to show.
Not Borg's paint, but the paint job from when it operated as Stealth at California's Great America. I found that quite interesting.
A way to look at this is from the queue of Vortex. Look at the area after the lift hill.

Back to the topic of Nighthawk being down, I've begun to speculate a little even though all of my ideas are probably not true whatsoever. Here's what I think might be going on

A. They are going to repaint the areas that Stealth is beginning to show.
B. They are doing repairs. I don't think this is the case, because I saw nobody near the station or the transfer track/maintenance shed.
C. They didn't have enough employees to operate the ride. This is the most likely.
D. NiGhThAwK mIgHt ClOsE fOrEvEr I gUeSs!?


You can go ahead and rule out A and likely D. If they were going to repaint it, it would’ve been done during the off-season. They aren’t six flags, lol.
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By tarheel1231
#106790
The park really doesn’t have any maintenance-intensive coasters. The only thing I can see being touched is Vortex, and even then, that’ll likely be a floorless conversion.
By Techedchart1551
#106791
I honestly think Floortex will either happen really soon or after the next big coaster. I think that Carowinds is leaning towards Nighthawk getting the axe next.

While Vortex won't completely be gone if there is a conversion, the ride would still be bland and too short. The stand-up aspect intrigues riders and also, if you brace yourself for the turns and the corkscrew, the ride doesn't hurt at all :)

If floortex were to happen, i'd see it happen either before or after 2023.
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By yawetag
#106792
#AxeNighthawk. As much as I hate Vortex, I hate Nighthawk even more. Better yet, take them both out and put in a stellar coaster in their spots.
By Techedchart1551
#106796
yawetag wrote:#AxeNighthawk. As much as I hate Vortex, I hate Nighthawk even more. Better yet, take them both out and put in a stellar coaster in their spots.


word.

This is a very unpopular opinion, but I think if they kept vortex or turned it into floortex, they could fit one of the eight-per-row mini dive coasters in nighthawk's plot.

I think that'd be a lot better than the standard ten-per row mega dive coasters, but that option is a lot more likely to happen since Cedar Fair has already added two to the chain.

#AxeNighthawk
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By Chris
#106797
Techedchart1551 wrote:I honestly think Floortex will either happen really soon or after the next big coaster.

Techedchart1551 wrote:If floortex were to happen, i'd see it happen either before or after 2023.

Techedchart1551 wrote:This is a very unpopular opinion, but I think if they kept vortex or turned it into floortex, they could fit one of the eight-per-row mini dive coasters in nighthawk's plot.


No matter how many times you try and force the name Floortex on us, it's not going to catch on. :yawn:
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