General Carowinds discussion
By Dukeis#1
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Before Carowinds...

Before Ghost Town...

There was Tweetsie.

I thought I would point out some news regarding North Carolina's first (and longest-lived) theme park, Tweetsie Railroad. I'm sure many people here have childhood memories of visiting this unique little mountain park over the years, but I'm also sure some people probably have no clue as to what I'm talking about. :)

This article from WRAL.com has some nice back info on the park in addition to the latest developments on the drawn-out land battle the park has been in since the late 1980s.

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Tweetsie Railroad Faces '07 Deadline To Determine Future - April 29th, 2005

BLOWING ROCK, N.C. -- In 1957, when Chris Robbins' father and two uncles signed a set of 50-year leases on the land for the Tweetsie Railroad theme park, 2007 seemed impossibly far away.

"In 50 years, we'll be flying around in gyrocopters to the moon," joked Robbins, 50, who literally grew up at Watauga theme park and is now its general manager.

There are no gyrocopters and man hasn't been back to the moon since the early 1970s. But SUVs, minivans and station wagons still fill Tweetsie's parking lot on U.S. Highway 321 each summer, as families come to see the shows, feed the animals and ride the Tweetsie, the little steam engine that once carried passengers through the high country of the southern Appalachians between Boone and Johnson City, Tenn.

Tweetsie opens for its 49th season this weekend, but its future is in question as the leases near their expiration.

Much of the park, which over the years has expanded over a mountainside just south of Boone, is on land that Robbins and his immediate family do not control. And in booming Watauga, land values have done nothing but zoom upward in recent years.

"At one time, this (site) was way out there" in a no-man's-land between Boone and Blowing Rock, Robbins said. "Now, we're right in between, and there's a huge demand for good, buildable land."

Randy Baker, a Charlotte architect, is the nephew of Blowing Rock native Grover Robbins Jr., who founded Tweetsie Railroad with his brothers Harry (Chris Robbins' father) and Spencer in 1957. He represents DeeArthur Properties, a group of descendants who hold one of the two leases not directly controlled by the Tweetsie Corp.

Baker said in a telephone interview this week that he and the other leaseholders in DeeArthur want to renew.

Terms still have to be negotiated, Baker said, but "the way I look at it, Tweetsie is a part of the mountain community. We'd really love for that whole area to be turned into Tweetsie Village. We have an interest in making sure Tweetsie survives."

Mike Lentz, a representative of the Broyhill family, which owns the third lease, declined to be interviewed for this story.

Although dressed up as a Wild West theme park, Tweetsie has legitimate historic roots in the area. In 1881, the Eastern Tennessee & Western North Carolina Railroad began operations on 50 miles of narrow-gauge track through the rugged mountains that separate northwestern North Carolina and northeastern Tennessee.

Eventually, the railroad connected Boone and Johnson City, offering passenger service and a way to transport lumber out of the mountains. Locals named the train the "Tweetsie," after the shrill steam whistles that echoed through the hills.

Highway construction improved access to the mountains and by the 1930s and '40s, Tweetsie was suffering from competition from trucking companies. In 1950, the ET&WNC Railroad ended narrow-gauge operations and the last of the locomotives - Tweetsie No. 12 - fell into the hands of Hollywood star Gene Autry, who intended to use the train in cowboy films.

Grover Robbins, developer of a number of other Southern tourist attractions (including the Dollywood forerunner Rebel Railroad in Pigeon Forge, Tenn.), had another idea. In 1956, he bought No. 12 from Autry and the following summer he and his brothers opened the Tweetsie Railroad on its present site. The park purchased a second steam locomotive, No. 190, in the early 1960s from an Alaskan railroad.

Over the years, the Robbins brothers developed a theme park around the excursion railroad, expanding the track into a three-mile loop and adding the Wild West theme, along with a Main Street, a petting zoo, a chairlift that takes visitors up the mountainside and other attractions.

Opening at the height of the Western craze - Davy Crockett, the Lone Ranger and "Gunsmoke" were all on TV and coonskin caps perched on the heads of many Baby Boom youngsters - Tweetsie was an exercise in cornball nostalgia from the start.

"Tweetsie was the first of the Western parks in the South," said Tim Hollis, author of "Dixie Before Disney," a look about Southern roadside attractions of the mid-20th century. "All of those Western parks were tied to the Westerns on television."

Fifty years later, the Western genre exists only to be revived every few years for the sake of irony or revisionism. And the ET&WNC Railroad that was a living memory for so many of Tweetsie's first patrons has receded into the mists of history like train travel in general.

Now, Tweetsie has itself become the nostalgia trip, a living link to the "Dixie Before Disney" era of piling the kids into the station wagon for a two-week ramble to see the sights.

"We're seeing third-generation visitors, fourth-generation visitors," said Robbins. With entertainment aimed squarely at the 3-to-12-year-old demographic, "It's a lot more family-accessible than Carowinds and Six Flags."

And for parents and grandparents who grew up on cowboy-and-Indian stories that today would be branded politically incorrect, riding the Tweetsie, with the stops for a staged "train robbery" and a view of Indians attacking a fort, is like boarding a time machine.

"It's a caricaturized depiction of a Wild West that never existed - except in popular culture," Robbins said. "We sort of celebrate it and parody it at the same time."

Running a family-operated theme park is a tough business - particularly in the mountains, where a rainy Independence Day weekend can ruin an entire summer.

Robbins said Tweetsie has been profitable in recent years and can continue to be, although he has hedged on making major capital investments because of the park's uncertain future, instead focusing on maintenance and upkeep.

If lease renewals cannot be secured, he said, there are other options. Neighboring counties have expressed interest in being home to the Tweetsie, although that raises the question of whether tourists would follow the park to a different location.

"That's definitely a fallback position for us," Robbins said. "It would be better to move Tweetsie than just have it fade."

Last year, Tweetsie acquired a Pennsylvania-based locomotive repair shop and moved its operations on-site. Robbins believes the repair facility could be spun off as a standalone business, servicing steam trains in use at theme parks and other attractions around the country.

"Some mornings, I feel like 80 percent" that Tweetsie will remain in business at its present location, Robbins said. "Some mornings I feel like 10 percent."

Randy Baker is confident a solution will be found that keeps the Tweetsie whistling and the cowboys fighting off their Indian attackers well into the 21st century.

"Let's face it: Tweetsie is a landmark now," he said. "That's where it needs to be. That's where it all started, from Boone to Johnson City. That's where Tweetsie made its course."
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From <a href='http://www.wral.com/news/4434614/detail.html' target='_blank'>WRAL.com</a>.

It seems that all the little parks are disappearing around the south. Miracle Strip and Ghost Town are gone, the MBPavilion's situation doesn't look good, and now Tweetsie Railroad is having problems.

I hope Tweetsie manages to work out its situation. I have many memories of visiting the park over the years, and it is most certainly a landmark for the state of North Carolina. Hopefully TRR can continue to operate in its current location.

<a href='http://www.tweetsie.com' target='_blank'>www.tweetsie.com</a>
By Carowindsman
#12003
Dang this was the first park i ever went to before Carowinds i had lots of fun even though there wasnt much. Lets hope that it doesnt go down and keeps afloat but if it does i hope Carowinds would be able to recieve some of the rides in the area.
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By wdwspider
#12032
We were there Saturday. Things seem very optimistic. They have even made improvements throughout the park wih Queues, the Zoo being overhauled, and Fort Boone being rebuilt since last year. They now have live horses in the train show (don't remember those from before) and lots of the rides have been repainted and looking nice. They got a Scrambler two years ago.

Now, on to Boone, the town is flurishing, growing a lot just over the past year (at the college and on 321). The Town is supporting a drive to keep Tweetsie around.

Finally, Tweetsie is turning 50. That, in itself, may help get support and backing. Not to mention the Train has significant historical value.

Tweetsie should stick around one way or another (even if it's a new site). The past two years for Thomas the Tank Engine and Western Days (now discontinued) the crowds were rather large.

If all goes well, I would hope some of the Ghost Town Rides could be salvaged and added to Tweetsie. The Gun Post Swing would be a great addition, as well as the boat and bumper cars.
By Dukeis#1
#12045
I haven't been to Tweetsie in a few years, but I'm happy to hear more improvements are taking place. The park has taken on a more professional attitude over the last decade or so, and lately a lot of renovating here and there has spruced the park up greatly.

Boone and Blowing Rock have really been growing over the last several years. The area's rapid growth should help Tweetsie, just as long as the developers don't start to eye the park as a nice location for more condominiums. ;)

If TRR can get all its current problems worked out, I'm sure it could develop nicely. I understand the current attitude towards moving is very negative…
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By swampfox43
#12066
For the Charlotte metro viewers:
6News Road Trip will be at Tweetsie RR today (Friday 13, 2005) and will be broadcast live during the 5, 5:30, 6pm local news. (NBC).

It will be interesting to see if they talk much about the history of the park and it's uncertain future. Unfortunately, I won't be at home to watch it.
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By bgwfreak
#12071
Hmmmm... this is the 2nd amusement industry story by News 6 within the past week.

Think they have an enthusiast on staff now??? lol :D
By Trev32
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Hehe, I always find it funny when people give the link to an article, then post it.


Anyway,

I've never been to tweetsie, I don't even know what rides they have, but I'd still be sad if anything happened to the park. (Hey, it's an amusment park. ;))
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By bgwfreak
#12078
Hey maybe Carowinds is knocking off all their competition so they can jack up the admission prices lol.

It's sad that Ghost Town and Tweetsie are both in jeopardy and so is the Myrtle Beach Pavilion.

Welcome to the age of the corporation.
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By swampfox43
#12126
Duke, the June edition of Blue Ridge Country Magazine has a great article on old steam locomotives from the south. Borders or Barnes & Nobles both carry it. The magazine has information on Tweetsie's Engine No. 12. that I had never heard.

Some quick facts about this locomotive:
Built by Baldwin Locomotive Works of Philadelphia in 1917.
Served East Tenn. & Western NC Railroad until 1950.
Was once owned by actor/songwriter Gene Autry.
Came to Tweetsie in 1956.
Tweetsie's Train Shop is one of a few shops in the world that can reconstruct old steam engines. Recently rebuilt all 4 of Disney's engines. They actually make the parts there.

Today, wcnc.com also had an article about the possible moving of Tweetsie from Watauga County to a new home in Caldwell County. The parks owner says with the skyrocketing property values he can no longer afford the rent.

Currently, the park is separated into three pieces of land with three different owners. Tweetsie owns one-third of the land the attraction sits on. The owners of the other two-thirds of the land doubled the rent within the last five years based on appraisal rates.

We will know the fate of Tweetsie Railroad in July according to the parks owner.
By Dukeis#1
#12127
Thanks for the update. (And the article info as well...I'll have to look into that. :))

If Tweetsie does have to move, I think Caldwell County has a bigger local population base for the park to feed on. I've still got my fingers crossed it won't come to that, though. :(

I heard a rumor (Well, I've heard hundreds of rumors) that the park was approached by the city of Asheville in the past as a possible place to move, though I imagine TRR would have more problems there than it currently has in Boone...

I had the pleasure of being able to visit Tweetsie's locomotive repair facility a few years back. (Great experience for any rail fan!) They do a great job of keeping their locomotives, #12 and #190 in top shape. In addition to working on Disney World's locomotives, TRR does almost all major repairs on #70 and #192 over at Dollywood. BGW sends their trains to Tweetsie for major repairs as well.
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By Jay
#12134
Trev32 wrote: Hehe, I always find it funny when people give the link to an article, then post it.

Actually there is a very valid reason for that, they link to give credit where it is due, and they post it so people who are too lazy to click the link, or are for some other reason unable to view the page, can read it.
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By bgwfreak
#12222
Thanks swampfox for the update.

Do you know if Barnes and Noble carries that magazine in their stores, or just online???

I've gotten interested in old trains. I'm not a buff like Duke is, but they are very interesting to learn about.

It's amazing how well built some of these things are considering they were built almost a 100 years ago. They knew their stuff back then.


And a stupid question but I can't recall... is Caldwell county closer to Charlotte? What's the big town there?

You know it might not even be a bad idea for them to build it near Spencer where the train/transportation museum is. That would be an incentive for train buffs to visit it.

And BTW...

Does Tweetsie have a coaster?

I looked here <a href='http://www.tweetsie.com/visit/amenities/index.php' target='_blank'>http://www.tweetsie.com/visit/amenities/index.php</a> and they say they have a Mouse Mine Train Ride.

Now that 321 is 4 lanes and a fast drive, I might have to check this park out again this summer. We went when I was a kid, but I don't remember anything but the train ride and the actors scared me then. lol (I was like 5).
By Dukeis#1
#12229
The Mouse Mine Train is an indoor/outdoor darkride. You board a miniature train, and it takes you into a mine tunnel where you see some animated scenes of mice digging for cheese. (Yes, Cheese...there is a whole backstory behind the ride that explains how a cheese mine exists and everything. I don't remember it though) It has a great retro feel to it. :)

I read that at one point in the 1970s Tweetsie had a small roller coaster, but I can't find any other information on it...

As for Caldwell County, it is just south of Watauga County. The "big" town of that area is Lenoir, and Hickory is not very far away in nearby Catawba County. The park would be closer to Charlotte if it moved into Caldwell.
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By swampfox43
#12231
Dukeis#1 wrote: I read that at one point in the 1970s Tweetsie had a small roller coaster, but I can't find any other information on it...


I can't even remember the last time I went to Tweetsie but I am thinking it was the early 70's. They had a small Schiff model coaster at the top of the mountain which I rode. It was no big deal. The same little coasters you see in carnival parking lots. The one thing that made this one unique was that it was built on the edge of the mountain. I remember thinking how far down it was from the edge of the coasters bunny hills.

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Tweetsie just got national recognition on Jeopardy tonight. Unfortunately, I didn't hear the topic cause I was sitting outside on my patio but I heard the Alex Trebek say " The state where Tweetsie Railroad resides" or something similar. Anyway, a guy buzzed in with the right answer....

Also, there are 2 old Tweetsie brochures on ebay right now....
I won't paste the link. Just go to ebay.com and type in Tweetsie and you will see them.
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By bgwfreak
#12238
^^ That's funny about Jeopardy.

I'm an avid watcher of Jeopardy, not every night but if I have time I watch it and Charlotte and the surrounding area has been "answers" on the show several times in the past year.

They must have a North Carolinian writing the "answers" on the show now. lol

Probably not, but I still think it's cool when I hear them talk about Charlote. They mentioned Charlotte on American Idol's finale too, talking about the Coca Coca 600 and the idols coming to it.