General Carowinds discussion
By LocoDriver
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Anyone read todays business section in the Observer?

BETTER LANDSCAPING, SCARIER SCAROWINDS PLANNED
What's next for Carowinds?
New manager expects no huge changes by Cedar Fair, but hopes for another roller coaster down the road
TONY MECIA
tmecia@charlotteobserver.com
On John Shanrock's first day on the job as new general manager of Paramount's Carowinds, he was walking through the park when a woman asked him where the bathroom was.

He had no idea, he recalls. He pulled out a park map and helped her find it.

Now, five months later, Shanrock and the park's new owners say they've become much more familiar with Carowinds. And they're drawing up plans for it to grow and improve -- plans that start modestly but could eventually include new roller coasters and other rides.

"We spent a lot of money to acquire these parks, and we want to make the best of the situation," Shanrock said. "We don't buy properties to take them out. We buy properties to build on them."

In June, Ohio-based park operator Cedar Fair bought Carowinds and four other parks from Paramount, a division of CBS Corp. CBS sold the parks to focus on other businesses.

Locally, some welcomed the deal, especially those familiar with the Cedar Fair's flagship Cedar Point park in Ohio, known for its top-rate roller coasters. They hoped the company would quickly add major rides.

Others, though, worried that the new owner might sell the park again, or close it and convert it into something else.

But neither extreme seems to be the case. In an interview in his office, which is adorned with a half-dozen miniature carrousel horses, Shanrock ticks off several changes he plans to make: more cotton-candy booths, better landscaping and a scarier Scarowinds, the Halloween-themed identity the park takes on weekend nights in October.

In the next few weeks, Carowinds plans to announce a new attraction for next summer, but it's not likely to be a major addition. Theme parks usually try to offer something new each year and often accomplish that by revamping existing rides or shows.

Shanrock expects park visitors to notice improvements at Carowinds, but no huge changes.

When the next park guests come in March, "what I would really like to see is people say, `Wow, look how bright it is, how clean it is, how well-maintained it is,' " Shanrock said.

When Cedar Fair bought Carowinds and the other Paramount parks this summer, paying $1.24 billion in cash, analysts applauded the deal. It represents an opportunity for the company to grow in what is usually a slow-growth industry.

Tim Conder, leisure analyst with A.G. Edwards & Sons in St. Louis, says the obvious way for Cedar Fair to capitalize on its purchase is to try to increase the amount guests spend at the parks.

As at other theme parks, attendance at Carowinds, which regularly draws more than 20,000 visitors a day, has stayed mostly flat. That means that revenue growth must come from increased guest spending.

In 2005, before the acquisition, the average guest at a Paramount park spent $34.23 -- roughly $3 less than at parks run by Cedar Fair, according to securities documents.

To bridge that gap, Conder predicts that changes to concession stands will play a big role. Food and other merchandise typically makes up about one-third of a park's revenue.

In 2005, Carowinds took in $60 million in revenue -- the smallest of the five Paramount parks, according to securities filings.

Shanrock, who came to Carowinds after an 18-year stint as head of food operations at Cedar Fair's Valleyfair park in Minnesota, says he plans changes, such as having restaurants specialize in their offerings instead of offering too many items.

For instance, he plans to remove the panini from the CBS Cafe, which would still offer pizza, salads and dessert. That tactic would help speed service, cutting down on lines and encouraging more people to eat there. The panini would be served elsewhere.

In another move to boost revenue, Carowinds increased the price of its season pass for 2007, which is now selling for $64.95. In a switch from prior years, passes bought after October no longer include parking, which costs $10 per visit. Shanrock says the park remains a good value.

Another big change could be Carowinds' licensing deals.

Cedar Fair officials have said they believe the Nickelodeon brand, which includes Dora the Explorer and other cartoon characters who roam Carowinds, helps draw families. But they're less sure of the value of the Paramount name and its accompanying television and movie themes. That could mean the Top Gun roller coaster would get a new name and that movie scores would no longer be pumped though the park's sound system.

Cedar Fair is reviewing both licensing deals.

Regarding new roller coasters, Shanrock says those decisions will be made by Cedar Fair, which in the coming weeks plans to announce its capital expenditures for the parks. He says he's as hopeful as anybody that Carowinds will get a new coaster.

In previous acquisitions -- of California's Knott's Berry Farm in 1997 and Pennsylvania's Dorney Park in 1992 -- Cedar Fair added thrill rides after buying, and the parks became more profitable, according to securities filings.

Shanrock says the best way to increase revenue is to make the park a better place to visit, which will keep guests in the park longer and get them to spend more.

Nelson Schwab, co-founder of Carousel Capital in Charlotte and former chairman of Paramount Parks, said Carowinds has a bright future because it's in a growing area of the country.

In addition, there's no other major theme park in the area, limiting competition.

"The competition in this business is more for time than direct competition from different roller coasters -- it's for entertainment time and leisure time," Schwab said. "There are a lot of demands on that."

So many, in fact, that Shanrock, the park's general manager, hasn't even ridden many Carowinds rides.

"I didn't get to play as much as I needed to play," he said.

At the top of his list, he says, is riding the Borg Assimilator with his kids.


Very Positive article for the outlook of Carowinds.
By Carowinds2005
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LocoDriver wrote:In the next few weeks, Carowinds plans to announce a new attraction for next summer, but it's not likely to be a major addition. Theme parks usually try to offer something new each year and often accomplish that by revamping existing rides or shows.

I think he just told us our 2007 attraction. ;) But other than that a great article, Thanks for the post LocoDriver!
By coasterholic14
#19306
FINALLY a company that knows what there doing. Pretty much everything I read in there tells me they have the right idea, are moving in the right direction, know how to better the park, and know what rides and attractions it needs to make the park better (not that i didn't expect them to know what they were doing), and are also exactly the things I was hoping to hear from them. Especially that their other parks were MORE PROFITABLE after adding THRILL rides...I don't know how many times I've said big thrill rides will draw more money than drawing in repeat families from the area by adding more and more family attractions. Glad to here we will get something, and being their first year, that's better than nothing. Hopefully they will add landscaping (i.e. do something with empty places like between BORG and Goldrusher, etc) and freshen things up a bit.
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By coasterdave
#19307
I had no idea that a relative of Robert Viands was a member of the site. You can tell they are related by the 'I want Thrill Rides since they bring in more money than those Family Rides' mentality. It must run in the family or something.

This is a prime example of why you do not need to respond to those e-mails about getting your Master's Degree by calling an 800 number. I am not really going to go into major detail about your flawed thinking, since I am sure you would dip into the vast knowledge of running a business, along with your keen sense of finances in the mythical world of Viands.

We are just lucky to have you a member of this board with your insight into the world as only you know it.
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By coasterbruh
#19309
coasterholic14 wrote:Hopefully they will add landscaping (i.e. do something with empty places like between BORG and Goldrusher, etc) and freshen things up a bit.

Hummm...be careful what you wish for ;) !
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By montumax
#19310
Yeah, that's where Jarvis' new meet and greet area is going. (Or is that where the Red Bull is going..I mean Wild Bull?) He's getting his own modelling area in Boomerang Bay this year too (since they're revitalizing OLD attractions.)
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By montumax
#19311
LocoDriver wrote: Regarding new roller coasters, Shanrock says those decisions will be made by Cedar Fair, which in the coming weeks plans to announce its capital expenditures for the parks. He says he's as hopeful as anybody that Carowinds will get a new coaster.


Since he said that the stuff for 2007 will be announced soon, anybody thinking coaster for 2008? That'd be my guess.
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By bgwfreak
#19312
Yeah CP will rip out Corkscrew and send it to us so they can install their new 500ft coaster. :lol: :rolleyes:

I'd expect a coaster then as well.
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By swampfox43
#19320
Foreseer wrote: I personally like the sound of a "Scarier" Scarowinds for next year.

Yes, that caught my attention as well.

I feel a bit more optimistic about getting a big coaster after reading this article. With a fresh new GM, and new ownership, there will obviously be a new vision for the parks future. And CF knows that large coasters bring in the people and aren't afraid to build hypers as Paramount was.

Now that GCII has got their foot in the door with Cedar Fair, I expect Clair worked a deal to build more than one of his woodies at a CF park over the next 5 or so years.

Here's something to ponder. It took Dorney Park 5 years to get a new coaster after CF acquired it in 1992. Steel Force (hyper steel) came in 1997.

It took World's of Fun 3 years to get a new coaster after it was acquired by CF in 1995. Then came Mamba (hyper steel) in 1998.

CF acquired Knotts Berry Farm in 1997 and although Ghostrider was added in 1998, that deal may have been in the works before CF took it over. CF waited waited another 4 more years to get their next coaster at Knott's, Xcelerator in 2002.

Hmmm, 2 hypers and a launch hyper. What a welcome addition!

Then there is Michgan's Adventure. Although rides have been added since the CF 2001 acquisition, no new coasters have been added. But I really don't consider this park in the same league as most of the other parks anyway and adding a 10 million dollar coaster to this park isn't going to increase the attendance enough to justify doing so. I'm sure one day they will get another great coaster, but I can see why CF is being careful with how they expand this little field-o-rides park.

Geauga Lake had all those coasters added by Six Flags and now CF is actually removing X Flight to another park. I don't see GL getting another major coaster any time soon.

Carowinds is right up there near the front of the line for a major coaster addition when you look at the charts. I don't think we'll be waiting 3-5 years for a major coaster like the other 2 parks I mentioned. I look forward to seeing what they have up their sleeve for us.
By Edwardo
#19327
I expect Clair worked a deal to build more than one of his woodies at a CF park over the next 5 or so years.


At least 2 more B) .

The things that Carowinds 'needs' are things that Cedar Fair does. Carowinds needs better sit down, and at least one full service resturaunt. I hope they transform Wings into something like that, and hopefully even the Diner. Even though I think Carowinds is one of the nicer looking and already nicely landscaped parks out there, I'm glad they are focusing on things like that.

I think it was I who said a while back that Carowinds wouldn't likely get anything 'major' for next year. Yeah, I know. I'm amazing. :D

Seriously, though, Carowinds fits into what Cedar Fair does. Not sure why they went with a new GM, because I thought the previous park mgt. team did an outstanding job, but whatever. I think we'll see another new coaster in a couple of years, with probably a few family rides and/or even more waterpark additions.

But more cotton candy stalls and better food offerings is greatly needed at Carowinds.