General Carowinds discussion
By CoasterChris
#23198
I wonder if Carowinds stayed in the 2 million rage for 07.
By Edwardo
#23199
I'm pretty sure there were about 2 million there when I went to see Weird Al...

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By swampfox43
#23200
bgwfreak wrote: The rumors of Carowinds getting a hyper have always been just that, rumors.

They were never (that I know of) actually based on anything someone at the park ever said.

Wes, I wish I could remember the exact year but honestly, I cannot. I know it was between '95-'97. The hyper coaster was more than a rumor and I wouldn't even say that if I hadn't seen, with my own eyes, the blueprint at Paramount's D&E office off Arrowood. The lift hill was behind the flume and the coaster was to bascially follow the parks border and turn around near the Scooby Doo coaster.

If you recall, there were plans for a Morgan Hyper at PGA. I was able to see those blueprints in the same office. Anyway, the planning commission for Santa Clara denied the application for the hyper coaster so the plan was to send it to Carowinds.

I'm not sure why the plans changed but it was more than rumor I know for sure.

Now, the "Hyper Under The Bridge".......THAT WAS A RUMOR! LOL!
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By CoasterChris
#23201
You mean Carowinds had the chance to build a hyper and didn't.

WOW.. what moron was behind the desk back then?
By cdp123
#23202
/\ The moron that ran Paramount Parks into the ground :)
By mwhinva
#23203
RollerNut wrote: False information, The PP running order was.
1)Canada's Wonderland
2)Kings Island
3)Carowinds
4)Kings Dominion
5)Great America
<a href='http://www.carowindsconnection.com/community/index.php?showtopic=1190&hl=top+25' target='_blank'>http://www.carowindsconnection.com/communi...=1190&hl=top+25</a>
FYI, Carowinds got 2.3 in 2006!

"14. Paramount Canada's Wonderland, 3.6 million, +7 percent
15. Knott's Berry Farm, 3.47 million, -3 percent
16. Kings Island, 3.3 million, -5.1 percent
17. Morey's Piers, N.J., 3.1 million, +1 percent
18. Cedar Point, 3.1 million, -2 percent "

Check your information before you post and please cite sources.

Rollernut,

My listing is not a statistical attendance listing but a listing of the average number of years between coaster additions. ;)

Secondly, there is no source of information cited for the attendance figures you pointed to in the other forum. <_<

Lastly, KD is ahead of Carowinds in attendance and Income earned. I give you my source when I see the source you have for the attendance figures. :unsure:


In any case, we are solidly in the middle of the pack when it comes to attendance and income generated.
By mwhinva
#23205
From the newpaper the Toledo Blade (figures are for 2005).

Article published Tuesday, June 20, 2006
Kings Island had more visitors, Cedar Point more income in '05
Rare disclosure for amusement parks


Cedar Fair's flagship park, its water park, and nearby hotels pulled in $210 million last year.
( THE BLADE )

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By JON CHAVEZ
BLADE BUSINESS WRITER


Rivals for years, Kings Island amusement park near Cincinnati outdrew Cedar Point in Sandusky in attendance by nearly 200,000 visitors last year.

But in generating income, Cedar Point won by a demon drop over Kings Island.

In what is a rare disclosure of amusement park revenue, Cedar Fair LP told potential lenders last week that its flagship site, Cedar Point, and its water park and nearby hotels pulled in $210 million in 2005.

Kings Island, by contrast, collected $108 million in revenue last year.


Knott's Berry Farm is Cedar Fair's second-largest income source.


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The figures show that Cedar Point and Knott's Berry Farm near Los Angeles bring in 70 percent of the company's revenue, but after Cedar Fair completes its purchase this summer of Paramount Parks Inc., that share will drop to about 40 percent.

Those two parks still will be No. 1 and 2 in revenue, but many of the Paramount Parks will nudge out existing Cedar Fair facilities for next biggest money grabbers, according to a filing the firm made with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Such finances were revealed as Cedar Fair made its pitch to borrow up to $1.76 billion to finance the Paramount acquisition and repay previous debt. Kings Island is the big park owned by Paramount.

Rick Munarriz, an analyst with Motley Fool, an online investing service, said the numbers were pretty surprising.

"Parks tend to be pretty much 'Mum's the word' when it comes to their financial information," he said.

On the other hand, he said, the numbers show how Cedar Fair's use of Cedar Point as a destination, putting up hotels and other activities nearby, may translate to a similar strategy at its soon-to-be acquired parks.


Kings Island, near Cincinnati, had $108 million in revenue in 2005.


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Stacy Frole, investor relations director at Cedar Fair, said Paramount parks have available land and few nearby hotels and water parks.

"That is where we see a lot of the potential of these parks that we're acquiring," she said.

Knott's Berry Farm had revenue last year of about $186 million; Dorney Park, near Allentown, Pa., had $56 million; Valley Fair, near Minneapolis, $36 million; Worlds of Fun, near Kansas City, $35 million; Geauga Lake, near Cleveland, $26 million; and Michigan's Adventure, near Muskegon, $19 million, the company figures show.

Among the Paramount parks being bought, the figures show, Canada's Wonderland, near Toronto had $93 million; <span style='color:red'>Kings Dominion, near Richmond, Va., $81 million</span>; Great America, near San Francisco, $63 million; and <span style='color:red'>Carowinds, near Charlotte, N.C., $60 million</span>.

Kings Island and Canada's Wonderland both ranked in the Top 20 in attendance in North America last year, according to Amusement Business magazine.

"I thought Canada's Wonderland would have been a better performing park than what the percentage shows," Mr. Munarriz said.

Per-person spending in its parks last year, Cedar Fair has said, averaged $38, higher than the $34 at Paramount parks.

The firm said it will pursue ways to boost the latter figure.

It also plans to cut costs by large-scale purchasing, by reducing the number of concerts held at Paramount parks, getting better rates on insurance, eliminating duplicate business practices, and reducing staffing and changing wage levels in some cases.

Contact Jon Chavez at:
jchavez@theblade.com
or 419-724-6128.
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By coasterdave
#23206
mwhinva wrote: Secondly, there is no source of information cited for the attendance figures you pointed to in the other forum. <_<

Lastly, KD is ahead of Carowinds in attendance and Income earned. I give you my source when I see the source you have for the attendance figures. :



I think Roller got his info from here: <a href='http://www.connectingindustry.com/pdfs/TEA-ERAAttendance06.pdf' target='_blank'>Attendance for 2006</a>
By mwhinva
#23214
coasterdave wrote:
mwhinva wrote: Secondly, there is no source of information cited for the attendance figures you pointed to in the other forum.   <_<

    Lastly, KD is ahead of Carowinds in attendance and Income earned. I give you my source when I see the source you have for the attendance figures.   :



I think Roller got his info from here: <a href='http://www.connectingindustry.com/pdfs/TEA-ERAAttendance06.pdf' target='_blank'>Attendance for 2006</a>

Thanks for the link.

Yes, I remember viewing this report on another site. The problem with this report, (as others had commented on), is that it only lists the top 20 to 25 parks in each category. The business, that put out the 2006 version, had revived this report that was put out by another company in the past. The older version of the report had the top 50 or so parks listed.

This listing does not include CF properties other than Cedar Point, Knotts, Kings Island, and Canada's Wonderland. All of those parks were over 3 million in attendance. The only place in the report that I saw Carowinds or Kings Dominion listed was the Cedar Fair property listing and that was in alpha order.

I don't believe Kings Dominion ever exceeded 2.5 million, in a season, in its whole history. I think the best seasonal attendance KD ever had was between 2.3 to 2.4 million. My guess is that seasonal attendance hovers around 2.1 million now.

I have to agree with CF in some aspects that they have much more competition for peoples time and money. In the '70's and '80's there was no Ipods, internet, electronic games, home theaters, cell phones, messaging, etc. These things either did not exist or were in their infancy and there was limited availability and they were very expensive. People had limited options back then and more people spent more time and money to visit theme parks for entertainment.

That does not give CF the excuse not to improve customer service, better quality food at a reasonible price, more entertainment options, better park atmosphere, etc. If you want people to visit, you need to make the WHOLE experience enjoyable for EVERYONE. What ever happened to the pre-paramount days when parks like Carowinds and Kings Dominion were advertised as a way to escape the drugery of the real world for a day? ...... and they actually delivered that.
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By coasterbruh
#23215
CoasterChris wrote: You mean Carowinds had the chance to build a hyper and didn't.

WOW.. what moron was behind the desk back then?

Please! At this point anyone can say "carowinds had the chance to build a/an ________ and didn't". Hell the same can be said about any park for that matter. Bottom line we will never know what the park had to chance not to do but didn't

Jarvis "the carowinds had the chance to build top gun and DID so be happy!" Morant!


Dont diss the "P" man...dont diss the "P".
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By Tinkerdog
#23216
What will Carowinds get in 2009? :huh:

The SHAFT, just like in 2008.. :angry:

Carowinds is boring, and now even MORE boring. :(

Cedarfair had the chance to hurry up and get this park up to par with a lot of other parks in the area, but failed to do so.

Water park exapansions????........ please.......... how exciting! I'm sure that will pull people in from more than 2 hours away.

Oh, some new flat rides? Or coaster? Nope. Just cheaper to add more trash cans and/or water slides..... ;)

By the time they wake up, we will be making regular runs to HRP and/or Dollywood. :rolleyes:

Rest In Peace, Carowinds. We used to love ya. :blink:
By RollerBee
#23217
My god, why does everyone so upset about the new wavepool? Atleast the park is growing in some way. The only way the park is going to put in a new coaster is if people go and spend money. If the majority of people stop going then attendance goes down, profit does down, budget cuts are made, and the chances of a new major attraction goes down. I am sure more people than are on this board feel the same as ya'll so don't ya think attendance is going to fall? I would much rather see attendance go up than down, otherwise we could have another Geauga Lake scenerio. I understand that riding the same rides season after season gets old, but if you are truly a Carowinds enthusiast you will go just to support the park.

Roller"Why am I always on the other side of fence."Nut
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By swampfox43
#23218
RollerNut wrote: I am sure more people than are on this board feel the same as ya'll so don't ya think attendance is going to fall?

Yes, and no matter how CF may try and "pad" the attendance figures at the end of the '08 season, attendance figures will be down. It's not rocket science. A new wave pool will not increase Carowinds attendance for '08.
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By Thriller
#23219
I hate that 2008 is not going to be the year, but like Rollernut said, it could be worse! As long as CF gives, we are ok. Once CF starts taking, we need to say our goodbyes! I am certain that 2009 and beyond will show benefits for the off years of little or no additions. I just try to stay positive and thank God that I have a theme park that is half descent close to home! :D
By CoasterChris
#23220
Thriller wrote: As long as CF gives, we are ok. Once CF starts taking, we need to say our goodbyes!

They are takeing. We're loseing Super Saturator.