[Dukeis#1]

Paramount claims to own "World Class, Themed Entertainment Expieriences" on all of their press releases. World Class makes it seem overly extravagant, when they are not technically doing anything other than naming attractions after movie franchises.

And, after such an exciting, uplifting press release that came with Borg Assimilator, one can understand why people and enthusiasts are over hyped and expecting things such as expensive pre-shows and such.

The bottom line is that the park is just trying to sell some tickets. Once you've paid to get in, they don't care if you think the park is themed, if the rides are good, if the employees are friendly, and so on. They've got your $40, so their happy.

And I'm not just bashing Paramount. They've did some great things for the park, like Carolina Boardwalk, the large waterpark, and the huge kiddie areas. We all know that if KECO was still it's own company, Vortex would have probably been our last new coaster for 8 or 9 years.

But people should not expect great things from a company that is nothing but Six Flags with a larger budget.

[Tinkerdog]

My Lord!!! They show just 3 limited pictures taken a week ago of the ride... and they don't show any of the theming........ and some are getting in a twad here about theming!!

They will probably still be theming after the ride opens.

If not, it is ok. This is not DisneyWorld, you know!

The loading station looks kinda like what the loading station for Top Thrill Dragster has.... out in the open. At least it appears to cover the riders faces so you won't get bird poo in the puss! :ph34r:

We will have a nice flying coaster. It will be fun. Enjoy it!! :rolleyes:

TinkerDog!

[Jay]

Why couldn't we just get a B&M floorless in 2005! :rolleyes:

Because floorlesses suck, and it would be hella-expensive. <_<


Just so you know it goes like this..
Hyper > Everything else that is steel.. floorlesses are the next best thing to getting a boomerang or SLC, sure they look all pretty and stuff, but they're about as intense as sitting in front of your computer with a fan in your face. Go ride some coasters then get back to me, mmk?

[ChadLP02]

Jeez. Why's a floorless so bad? Maybe you should explain why instead of scrutinizing?

[Cephas]

For your info, I have ridden Superman: Krypton Coaster front row at SFFT, so I know what there like. I have also ridden Kumba (B&M sitdown)if this argument goes places like that. But I will admit, if your not front row, the ride is pretty similar to the regular sit downs.

[coasterbruh]

Wow one floorless under your belt...........so im sure you know everything about everyfloorless. And what does kumba have to do floorless. So based on your theory i've ridden vortex, so that means i know what every stand-up is like. I've ridden medusa so i too know what every floorless is like. Since i have been on a floorless i can say that i enjoy them. ALthough the front is the best seet you still get the floorless feel in every other sit also being that you only see the track below you.

[AMartin777]

WHOOTAH!!!!

Borg, Borg, Borg, Borg...
Borg, Borg, Borg, Borg...

I can't wait to take my first flight on this marvelous piece of engineering...

No cynicism here, just a love for Parks and Coasters...

Are we happy????? Yes... we are happy!

Happiness lives at <a href='http://www.whootah.com' target='_blank'>Whootah!.com</a>
(It's Awesomfied!)

[LocoDriver]

Paramount should not claim to own highly themed "Movie" parks if all they are doing is naming rides after movies.

When has Paramount ever claimed to own highly themed parks? Just curious. If anyone ends up being let down by the theming on this ride, it will be because of their own inflated expectations. Not that this hasn't happened before with every single ride being constructed. The offseason goes something like this:

Step 1: Enthusiasts complain about what has been announced for their park
Step 2: Enthusiasts begin to think maybe what they are getting isn't so bad
Step 3: Enthusiasts raise their expectations for what their park is getting to a rediculously high level
Step 4: Opening day comes and enthusiasts complain about what their park got.

PS: This wasn't being directed at you Duke, or anyone in particular.

I think some of us would like to see some extensive theming for a coaster that is not new. I thought that was one of the arguments going for Paramount on why it was a good thing to get a used coaster. I think most people assumed that the theming would be par with at least Volcano, TombRaider or Flight of Fear. Those do belong to Paramount not Disney right? Right now that doesn't appear to be the case. If I turn out to be wrong then I will applaud Carowinds.

I guess there are some of us that are not satisfied with mediocrity. Others simply sit back and critisize everyone or anything that they don't agree with.

[Jonathan]

Well, perhaps I was a tad bit harsh with my post, but my point seems to have been proven as one of our own members is already ranting that he won't visit the park because of the three construction photos I posted. Also, I think some people are missing one thing when they say that Carowinds can use the extra money to give it a rediculously incredible theme. Has anyone thought that maybe there isn't any extra funds, and that Carowinds would not have even installed a roller coaster this year at all had the opportunity with Great America not come up? Yes, Tomb Raider is themed incredibly, but the budget for that ride was well more than I ever see being spent on any Carowinds ride in the future. Also, I don't think the theming on Borg will be *that* far off from Flight of Fear and Volcano, since aside from the fire coming out of the mountain, Volcano really has nothing out of this world, and Flight of Fear's theming consists of a warehouse with a UFO in it (we're getting the Borg sphere, remember). I respect everyone's right to get worked up and dissappointed by this, but for me personally, I'm still excited that we're actually getting a coaster, and I'll enjoy myself no matter what. Of course, that's the way it usually is for me at amusement parks. Guess I'm just an optimist.

[LocoDriver]

I too am excited about getting something other than a kiddie coaster. Especially something the size of Borg. Still just expected more this time as did most of people posting seemed to think. I remember when the name Borg Assimilator came out and it seemed as if 95% of the enthusiast hated the name, including myself. The only thing that kept must of us optimistic was that the theming would help make this a great experience and also justify the lame name. At this point if we don't get any extensive theming, I would have just rather them kept the name Stealth.

[ghettopastries]

I still don't understand why no one likes the name. There is nothing wrong with it.

[coasterbruh]

I think alot of people fail to realize that paramount parks arent full fledge "theme" parks. Look at what disney and universal charges for their parks!! and look at the amount of rides they offer............

I think i would pay 42.99 for a park full of coasters and rides and little themeing vs. a park that charges 60+ has little to no coasters and a hell of a lot of themeing!!

No way am i dissing disney or universal cause i enjoy those parks and im not complaining but how many people get the chance to go there. For some its a once and a lifetime thing because its very expensive for a family to attend, while on the other hand we have paramount and six flags parks. they are moderately prices, offer alot as far as thrills, however they kind of lack in the theme department (according to some of you in the peanut gallery) but think about it...............

Personally i wouldnt want to go to disney or universal all the time cause the theme would get old to me and i'll start whining about the fact that they need to change it!! And im sure im not the only one. Just ask some folks in FLA which theme park they would rather frequent and im sure it wont be the popular ones in FLA.

Disney and universal signature is their theme. Paramount and six flags signature is their coasters and top thrill rides!!

So in closing...............

I feel that themeing is a gift that the park gives to us. Heck i feel that anything the park adds is a gift that i can appreciate!!


Never look a gift horse in the mouth

[Cephas]

Well, maybe I will be going on opening day...

...It can't be that bad can it?

[Trev32]

hehe dosen't the station sorta look like <a href='http://www.rollercoasterpro.com/cedarpoint5.php' target='_blank'>Top Thrill Dragster's?</a>, i just noticed that.

I feel that themeing is a gift that the park gives to us. Heck i feel that anything the park adds is a gift that i can appreciate!!

i agree


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[KenB]

Has the park ever confirmed if there will be (or won't be) an unload station? I know that was mentioned as a possible ride improvement. This would work like Millennium Force, Flight of Fear, Volcano, etc. that have an unload station - train 1 would be loading in the station while train 2 is out on the course. Train 2 comes into the unload station while loading continues on train 1 in the loading station and the passengers are unloaded. As train 1 heads out of the station, train 2 pulls in without needing to take the extra time to unload. Think about Vortex, and how long it takes in the station to unload and reset the seats before loading can start - and how we always sit there on the brake run waiting for the other train to load. If Borg has just one station, that'll be pretty much how it'll work - but would be quicker with an unload station.

Looking at the picture of the station, you can see the brake run over to the left, but you can't make out too much about it. At PGA they skipped the unload station that was part of the original design saying it was too expensive, and for the first year or two, they didn't even have a covering over the brake run, then added an awning or tarp over it to keep people from baking in the sun while waiting to move. You can definitely see in the picture that there is a metal roof over the brake run area, and a set of stairs. Of course they'd have stairs just for evacuation purposes, so that doesn't mean anything - but at least we'll have a covered brake run from the start here. Sitting there baking for a few minutes waiting for the station to clear like on Vortex wouldn't be fun - since you'd be on your back looking into the sun.

That pic did have me wondering though - it certainly didn't show enough of it to show that there wasn't an unload station, and looks maybe a bit elaborate for just a brake run roof, but that might be wishful thinking on my part. Adding that would be better for improving the ride experience than a lot of theming

Looking at the layout diagram doesn't clear things up either - the path that looks like it'd be for the exit from the station goes under the brake run shed shown on the diagram. They could have it set up where one station or both stations could be used depending on the volume, and having both stations empty to the same path would make sense.

Like the theming, don't get your hopes up - this was suggested back when the ride was first announced as coming here as a possibility to help make the ride better here, since it was part of the original design. It may have been mentioned by some of the Carowinds people at C3, but I'm not sure about that. This isn't something I'm looking for actually being there, but it would be a pleasant surprise if it were.

KenB