General Carowinds discussion
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By tarheel1231
#65502
While I like the idea of a launched Gerstlauer, a Eurofighter would be a HORRIBLE option for a park of Carowinds' size. I waited in line for 1 1/2 hours for Dare Devil Dive at SFOG. It's a good coaster, but it would be a bad option capacity-wise. I'd rather see a launched Gerstlauer Infinity coaster like Karacho at Tripsdill (unless it has the maintenance problems that Smiler does).

[EDIT] I take back what I said. Karacho has very low capacity. 960 pph.......
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By IsaacMcCalla
#65517
tarheel1231 wrote:While I like the idea of a launched Gerstlauer, a Eurofighter would be a HORRIBLE option for a park of Carowinds' size. I waited in line for 1 1/2 hours for Dare Devil Dive at SFOG. It's a good coaster, but it would be a bad option capacity-wise. I'd rather see a launched Gerstlauer Infinity coaster like Karacho at Tripsdill (unless it has the maintenance problems that Smiler does).

[EDIT] I take back what I said. Karacho has very low capacity. 960 pph.......

a Eurofighter will be an even worse choice after next year, the park is going to be packed alot more often.
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By redrunner97
#65529
I think the world's biggest Mack launch (not that hard of a record to beat) would be the way to go.
Blue Fire looks phenomenal. Solid white tack/supports with white trains could be an awesome way to bring White Lightning back to the park, in Vortex's place if it could fit.

The idea of giving Vortex floorless seating, IMO is a bit pointless. The ride is fairly short. But I get why it would be a good idea, capacity would improve, the cost would be cheaper than building a new ride/demolition of an existing one. It all makes sense. Couldn't make Vortex any worse, that's for sure. I do think it has the potential to be a good ride, and I couldn't imagine what other coasters they could be talking about giving an update to than the stand-ups at California's Great America and Carowinds.
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By Axel
#65550
some Carowinds mentions:
(from http://www.SeekingAlpha.com)
Our capital spending will also hit its peak next year at approximately $170 million primarily due to the completion of the Hotel Breakers renovation and our significant investment in the Charlotte market at our Carowinds Amusement Park. Beyond 2015, we would anticipate spending at least $120 million in core growth capital each year, including the normal investments in new rides and attractions at the parks.

and
On the marketable capital front, we’re eagerly anticipating the 2015 opening of Fury325, a new record-breaking coaster at Carowinds that will serve as an anchor for the re-launch of the Carowinds brand in the dynamic Charlotte market.

(from Cedar Fair news release)
We will continue to market innovative new products and experiences across all of our parks with our capital spending concentrated in the regions where we believe we will see the greatest long-term returns. Leading the swarm, Fury325, a world-record breaking roller coaster at Carowinds, will serve as the centerpiece of a new, state-of-the-art main entrance, and it represents the first step in a multi-year plan to transform Carowinds into a world-class entertainment destination.
By gad198
#65554
tarheel1231 wrote:While I like the idea of a launched Gerstlauer, a Eurofighter would be a HORRIBLE option for a park of Carowinds' size.


Agreed wholeheartedly. Staying away from Gerstlauer is a good idea unless it's installing one of their spinning coasters. I think that low capacity has been the primary reason that Cedar Fair has chosen not to install more spinning coasters in their parks. While the spinners would be great additions, the hour long lines that would always accompany them at the larger parks due to restricted capacity has to be a major factor in why we haven't seen more installed.

I really like the direction Cedar Fair is trending at the moment. Better live entertainment, improving food options, and spending money on upgrading the parks aesthetics is a nice start. They're also the only major chain willing to consistently spend the money to install large new coasters that also have high capacity. Just the fact that they've given us some of the world's best rides through their B&M additions has been amazing, and I'm sure there are even more in the pipeline.
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By arby
#65621
Wow, and yet one more wishlist thread. :(

While RMC is doing some great things, there are some great non-RMC wooden coasters out there. I certainly don't want to see everything on the planet transformed.

Carowinds has some less than stellar coasters including Vortex. Converting that would be a relatively inexpensive (WAY less expensive than a new coaster) and has the potential to make it a decent coaster. Would it be world class and record breaking? No, but it would most likely be interesting and reridable more than once a season.
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By redrunner97
#65794
Not to make this thread even more wishy or speculatory, but I had one of those late-night insomniac ideas that I will probably find horrible once I read back what I wrote tomorrow morning...

Anyway, what if the Vortex-Rougarou treatment thing does happen and they decided to kill two giant-skytower-locusts with one stone and enclose Vortex (thus adding a floorless and an enclosed dark coaster; something Carowinds is lacking). This sounds a little crazy, but it would be enormously inexpensive compared to adding a new roller coaster, and the lack of visibility could certainly distract from it's short layout. They'd be retheming it anyway and just imagine what they could do considering it's enclosed. (Just throwing an idea out there... Call it Witchdoctor as a reference to one of the parks more popular past rides?)

to reiterate: I'm sleepy and that obviously means every idea I come up with is pure genius...
That's logical right? :yawn: :wtf:
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By shane235
#65799
redrunner97 wrote:Not to make this thread even more wishy or speculatory, but I had one of those late-night insomniac ideas that I will probably find horrible once I read back what I wrote tomorrow morning...

Anyway, what if the Vortex-Rougarou treatment thing does happen and they decided to kill two giant-skytower-locusts with one stone and enclose Vortex (thus adding a floorless and an enclosed dark coaster; something Carowinds is lacking). This sounds a little crazy, but it would be enormously inexpensive compared to adding a new roller coaster, and the lack of visibility could certainly distract from it's short layout. They'd be retheming it anyway and just imagine what they could do considering it's enclosed. (Just throwing an idea out there... Call it Witchdoctor as a reference to one of the parks more popular past rides?)

to reiterate: I'm sleepy and that obviously means every idea I come up with is pure genius...
That's logical right? :yawn: :wtf:

Doesn't seem to me like it would happen, but it would explain the markers around Vortex that someone said were for a slingshot ride. :D
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By redrunner97
#65822
What stood out to me even more than the potential hint at a Vortex upgrade was this:
The changes made at Knott's, mainly investing in atmosphere, refurbishments and improving the guest experience has been a home run success. Cedar Fair feels there is room to replicate this type of investment patterns at other parks to achieve the same results.


I like the idea of giving a little bit more theme to the Cedar Fair parks. Thinking about the kind of improvements Knotts (and KD even with their 40th Anniversary throwbacks) has made makes me excited for the future of the park in a way that doesn't relate to the thrills. Water (fountains, ponds, etc), trees, greenery, improved infrastructure, food, shows, and so on are important to giving a good vibe to visitors and not leaving that bland feeling some regional parks tend to put out. Carowinds is already well on it's way with the new entrance plaza, parking improvements, the toll booth, front gate bridge expansion, Harmony Hall, Chickies and Petes, etc. This gets me excited. I want our park to stand out and that is the direction we are moving in.

tarheel1231 wrote:I think Carowinds should paint Vortex's track white and supports orange and call it White Lightnin'.


Ew. :lolno:

IF White Lightning's name ever does return to Carowinds, I wouldn't want it A) Orange... or B) to be a ride that's already been branded one of the world's most unpleasant coasters. Plus why would you want to deprive a whole new generation of riders the chance to hear the word's "Lightning Stikes Now!" before a launch? I honestly think the next coaster we get will be a Disk'O (not technically a coaster but CF calls it one :roll:) as part of a Planet Snoopy expansion in the Dino Area within the next 3 years. (I can't see them avoiding family rides during this expansion TBH), then a launched coaster that will bring the White Lightning name back to Carowinds as a follow-up to Fury. At one of the ACE events or something last year they said they really wanted a launched coaster to come to Carowinds soon, was this to throw us off the giga trail? Maybe. Could they have been serious? I certainly think so.

Now, if they do the whole Rougarou thing (as mentioned in the Q3 Call) then I could see them possibly bring a name back since they seem to be wanting the Carowinds/Carolina charm to return. If they want mystical/deadly monsters or animals to be the theme of the standup-to-floorless wave then perhaps Black Widow, another former Carowinds name, would be a better fit. Even that name would fit the enclosure idea better since all you would see would be darkness for the most part.

I don't think this is all technically wishful thinking, these are ideas and responses linked directly to a conference call specifically about the future of the park. Although getting into the whole launched coaster thing is pushing it a bit, I don't think discussion of Carowinds/Vortex's potential future as it relates to statements made during the call is all that unfounded. But that's just my opinion. I think I'll bump that wishlist thread the next time I feel the need to ramble on and on about what I would like to see come to Carowinds lol! :D
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By arby
#65839
redrunner97 wrote:I like the idea of giving a little bit more theme to the Cedar Fair parks. Thinking about the kind of improvements Knotts (and KD even with their 40th Anniversary throwbacks) has made makes me excited for the future of the park in a way that doesn't relate to the thrills. Water (fountains, ponds, etc), trees, greenery, improved infrastructure, food, shows, and so on are important to giving a good vibe to visitors and not leaving that bland feeling some regional parks tend to put out. Carowinds is already well on it's way with the new entrance plaza, parking improvements, the toll booth, front gate bridge expansion, Harmony Hall, Chickies and Petes, etc. This gets me excited. I want our park to stand out and that is the direction we are moving in.

I've been a big fan of the direction Cedar Fair has been headed. I am certain that the improved atmosphere is going to pay off for them, so much so that I have bought some of their stock.

I need something to offset the beating I've been taking with my Sea World stock. :(