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By Axel
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Bloomberg article on Amusement Park Safety Regulations.

http://www.bna.com/safety-worries-rob-n57982078273/

I disagree on several points made by the IAAPA representative:

“The amount of engineering that goes into the development of amusement rides is truly unbelievable,” he said.

“We have never seen an event involving an amusement provider where additional regulation would have altered the cause of the event,” he said.


I say BS to that! The Schlitterbahn Verrukt slide had pisspoor engineering, none by industry professionals. Looks like the IAAPA spending millions in lobbying per year prefer to regulate safety through litigations rather than up front and inspections. That approach doesn't help those injured or killed.
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Axel wrote:Bloomberg article on Amusement Park Safety Regulations.

http://www.bna.com/safety-worries-rob-n57982078273/

I disagree on several points made by the IAAPA representative:

“The amount of engineering that goes into the development of amusement rides is truly unbelievable,” he said.

“We have never seen an event involving an amusement provider where additional regulation would have altered the cause of the event,” he said.


I say BS to that! The Schlitterbahn Verrukt slide had pisspoor engineering, none by industry professionals. Looks like the IAAPA spending millions in lobbying per year prefer to regulate safety through litigations rather than up front and inspections. That approach doesn't help those injured or killed.

I dare say that the designers and engineers that are responsible for Verrukt are professionals, it wasn't there first waterslide.

They pushed boundaries, so does Intamin. how many deaths has Intamin rides has, does that mean there people aren't professionals. Can you design a waterslide that can safely operate and pass inspections? If so how many waterslides have you done?
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By Axel
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Edwardo wrote:Verruct was still allowed to open after the state cleared it to open. How would more regulation have fixed that, when a state agency cleared it?


Because the state agency was incompetent and did no engineering tests. A federal agency with the requisite experts wouldn't have let it open.
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By Axel
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RollerBee wrote:
I dare say that the designers and engineers that are responsible for Verrukt are professionals, it wasn't there first waterslide.


Well, you dare say wrong. Do some research... starting with this article:
http://www.kctv5.com/story/32816429/experts-wind-could-exacerbate-design-flaws-on-verruckt

...there are many more articles that say the same. NO professional engineer designed or tested the safety of Verrukt. BSE Engineers designed the structural aspect of the ride. "Sclitterbahn refused to answer if a licensed professional engineer helped design Verruckt. Their own websites give design credit to owner Jeff Henry and John Schooley calling them “water wizards” and “Lord of the slides.”... neither of whom is an engineer.

"Experts across the nation with scientific backgrounds have stepped forward pointing out what they call common sense problems. "
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What makes you think that the Feds are going to hire someone more qualified than the states do? Theme parks are not in the business of killing people and there are federal safety standards manufacturers have to follow.

There are so few deaths from actual mechanical failures that it's pointless to funnel state or federal funding on more oversite.

Remember, you're going off of speculation. The cause of the accident on Verruct hasn't been confirmed yet. how would you suggest the Feds handle it differently than the state agency that let it open? How are you sure this wasn't human error and not design.
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Been digging around to see if Swamp Fox survived Hurricane Matthew, only picture I can find shows old Swamp Fox taking a swim but standing. The Swamp Fox is now 50 years old.

Edit: Picture didn't add first time.
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By Axel
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Edwardo wrote:What makes you think that the Feds are going to hire someone more qualified than the states do?... how would you suggest the Feds handle it differently than the state agency that let it open?

Like the previous story I referenced, because every state currently can do what they want, there are states like Kansas that do not require any on-site inspections at amusement park rides. In the aftermath of the tragedy-waiting-to-happen like Verrückt was, the Kansas governor said that he is open to changing state law.

The local Unified Government stated that they had no discussion of the safety of Verrück prior to its opening (which Kansas law permits but doesn't require)... "“We are only verifying they built what they said they would build and landscape/site cleanup...nothing safety related.”

Full time professionals at the Federal level would bring much more expertise to the initial engineering inspections of rides than some county fire departments that currently do the initial inspection in some states now, or no inspections at all as is done in Kansas.

"Kansas regulations require amusement park rides to have a third party inspect them once a year and preserve records of inspections if the state decides to conduct an audit. Kansas hadn’t inspected Verrückt since it opened in 2014."

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article108028562.html

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By Axel
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funny story & video... :lol:

Kevin Hart and Jimmy Fallon Visit a Haunted House and One Gets So Spooked He Farts

http://www.eonline.com/news/801930/kevin-hart-and-jimmy-fallon-visit-a-haunted-house-and-gets-so-spooked-he-farts

"The last time Jimmy Fallon and Kevin Hart hung out, the dynamic duo hit up an amusement park so Fallon could see how poorly Hart handles roller coasters.

The segment was nothing short of hilarious, with Hart reduced to tears and shrieks because of his roller coaster phobia. This time, however, Fallon and Hart visited New York City's haunted house Blood Manor and it was The Tonight Show host who couldn't cope..."

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Axel wrote:
Edwardo wrote:What makes you think that the Feds are going to hire someone more qualified than the states do?... how would you suggest the Feds handle it differently than the state agency that let it open?

Like the previous story I referenced, because every state currently can do what they want, there are states like Kansas that do not require any on-site inspections at amusement park rides. In the aftermath of the tragedy-waiting-to-happen like Verrückt was, the Kansas governor said that he is open to changing state law.


So, what you're actually saying, is that this was a problem with the state of Kansas, and that IAAPA was correct in what they said. We don't expect the federal government to inspect every car ever year on the road in every state, so why should they inspect every ride? There are ASTM standards that parks and ride manufacturers follow. And no park out there sets out to build something that will kill someone. I don't think you get that. They're not going to be so lax that they start killing people regularly at parks, otherwise the parks will not be in business.

The local Unified Government stated that they had no discussion of the safety of Verrück prior to its opening (which Kansas law permits but doesn't require)... "“We are only verifying they built what they said they would build and landscape/site cleanup...nothing safety related.”


And from what I've seen, the investigation has yet to say the ride was faulty. So we still don't know if the ride, as built, was the problem or not. And if it was a problem, whats to say that a federal or state level inspector would have found the problem? They tested the ride quite a bit before opening.

Full time professionals at the Federal level would bring much more expertise to the initial engineering inspections of rides than some county fire departments that currently do the initial inspection in some states now, or no inspections at all as is done in Kansas.


That's all speculation and conjecture. What we can say is that Kansas had nothing in place to inspect rides, and a ride accident resulting in death happened in Kansas. There are plenty of other government organizations that are tasked with keeping us safe that have failures (cough*TSA*cough).

I'm not saying that Verruct wasn't a problem, I think it was. But one water slide that was built by a company shouldn't mean we have to reform the whole system. How often do you read of catastrophic ride failures in this country? Rarely. Because parks want to make money, and they know deaths at the parks tend to stop that from happening.

"Kansas regulations require amusement park rides to have a third party inspect them once a year and preserve records of inspections if the state decides to conduct an audit. Kansas hadn’t inspected Verrückt since it opened in 2014."


This sounds more and more to me like Kansas should be blamed in some part for what happened here, they weren't even following their own rules. But that doesn't mean other states aren't doing that.
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Edwardo wrote:... There are ASTM standards that parks and ride manufacturers follow.

If the ride manufacturers\parks feel like it... they aren't law, just guidelines.

My position is that they need to be law with harsh penalties for failing to test or meet the standards on an on-going basis. And that testing makes more sense done by professionals (and monetarily makes more sense at the Federal level), not by locals with as much expertise as a county dog catcher.

But you ride what you want and your family can take up a legal suit after-the-fact as espoused by the IAAPA. That makes a lot of sense :sarcasm:
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Just remember more regulation means more federal employees, which means more taxes.

You really think the Federal Government inspectors would know more than a local inspector?

Restaurants are inspected by counties and their inspectors can be extremely strict.
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