Everything else goes here, including discussion of parks outside of Carowinds and any off-topic discussion
#76631
I don't really have a big opinion one way or the other (though I certainly take anything Sea World says with a grain of salt as I do with any big corporation owned by a giant equity firm), but I do think it's hilarious how insanely passionate coaster enthusiasts have been to come to the defense of Sea World when for most of them they clearly have no knowledge or even concern for the animals but just knee jerk defend the company because of their precious roller coasters.
#76651
Drove from Durham to Charlotte for the Seether/10 years concert Friday night, now back to Charlotte today for Carowinds. Lots of driving this weekend, luckily I get to be the passenger..
#76683
Jonathan wrote:I don't really have a big opinion one way or the other (though I certainly take anything Sea World says with a grain of salt as I do with any big corporation owned by a giant equity firm), but I do think it's hilarious how insanely passionate coaster enthusiasts have been to come to the defense of Sea World when for most of them they clearly have no knowledge or even concern for the animals but just knee jerk defend the company because of their precious roller coasters.


Yeah, I hope I don't fall into that category. We are very knowledgeable about all the good the SeaWorld marine biologists do. For that reason and the great care they seem to give to the landscaping of their parks, we are also stock holders. I'm only down 7% on my investment, now (it was -30% at one point), but I continue to get decent dividends every quarter despite their current issues.

To put it into perspective, I probably only own about .00001% of SeaWorld but I also own that same amount of Cedar Fair. :lol:
#76804
Axel wrote:SeaWorld getting more bad press overseas...
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/almost-1 ... 90842.html


Whoever wrote that article needs to do some fact checking and research...

...By contrast, the SeaWorld resorts, of which there are 11 in the US and one in Australia...,


Of course most of us know there are only 3 Seaworld (one word) parks with orcas in them in the US. They make it seem like there are 11 when including the other parks owned/operated by (there are actually 12 parks currently). They also seem to think Sea World (two words) in Australia is the same company...
#76938
I dont know much about sea life but, if any you guys have Netflix and want to educate yourself on the harm that Sea World causes, you should check out the documentary Black Fish. I'm an insane theme park enthusiast (I mean -- I want to be a Disney Imagineer -- and I'm hope fully going to SCAD next year... fingers crossed) and I wouldn't want to be a part of the company or, even, visit Sea World until they set those orcas free. They are not only causing harm to these animals but they are endangering their own employees and its absolutely sickening. Below are links to the movie on Netflix and reviews to the documentary:

http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70267802

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/movie ... .html?_r=0

http://www.washingtonpost.com/goingoutg ... story.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/ ... iew/414203
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#76939
I think everybody knows about Blackfish, but there is a firestorm of debate over how legitimate many of the claims in the movie are. I haven't watched it yet myself (it's been in my Netflix queue for a while now), but from the sounds of things Blackfish sensationalizes some things while Sea World tries to look more innocent than they are. So as with most things, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. For better or worse, though, I do think the time of keeping many of these big animals in captivity is coming toward an end.
#76947
Jonathan wrote:I think everybody knows about Blackfish, but there is a firestorm of debate over how legitimate many of the claims in the movie are. I haven't watched it yet myself (it's been in my Netflix queue for a while now), but from the sounds of things Blackfish sensationalizes some things while Sea World tries to look more innocent than they are. So as with most things, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. For better or worse, though, I do think the time of keeping many of these big animals in captivity is coming toward an end.


Of course anyone can take information and skew it. I've done some research on the subject matter and there are facts that are hard to argue. There are even contradictions on SeaWorlds on website that talks about black fish.

ANYWAYS i just used my college's data base to get some quotes ;) Im going to keep reading up on it -- it's an interesting topic.

"These whales are predators at the top of the food chain, often feeding on other marine mammals, but I have never heard of an orca -- as they are also known -- killing a human in the wild."

Ingram, Simon. "'Orcas can't Thrive in Captivity'." The Times: 31. Feb 26 2010. ProQuest. Web. 2 May 2015 .

"The controversial topic of orcas (killer whales) in captivity is thoroughly examined in a gripping inspection of the biggest keeper of killer whales, SeaWorld. Opening with the tragic story of a female trainer killed by a captive orca, Kirby then reveals that this attack took place in British Columbia in 1991. The connection to the titular 20 1 0 incident at SeaWorld, when trainer Dawn Brancheau was killed, is the whale.Tilikum.a male orca, has spent almost his entire life in captivity. He has been responsible for the deaths of not only two trainers but also an apparent trespasser who was found dead in his tank at SeaWorld. Centering his narrative on bothTilikum and Naomi Rose, the marine-mammal expert for the U.S. Humane Society, Kirby delves into the life of a captive orca, the immense PR campaigns waged by media-sawy SeaWorld, battles with OSHA as the federal government weighed in on the safety of working with killer whales, and the final court cases, one of which is yet to be resolved. Hard to put down. - Nancy Bent"

Bent, Nancy. "Death at SeaWorld: Shamu and the Dark Side of Killer Whales in Captivity." The Booklist 108.21 (2012): 7. ProQuest. Web. 2 May 2015.

"'captivity has been a catastrophe for most killer whales taken from the wild."

"OF ORCAS AND MEN." Kirkus Reviews LXXXIII.8 (2015)ProQuest. Web. 2 May 2015.

"there is no established record of orcas killing human beings in the wild"

"And Tilikum, the animal involved in this week's fatal attack, who was captured from the wild in Iceland, was, with two other orcas, involved in the death of a trainer in Canada in 1991, and then of a man who had sneaked into Florida SeaWorld in 1999 and appears to have fallen into Tilikum's pool."

Mccarthy, Michael. "Are Captive 'Killers' Telling Us Something?; there is no Record of Orcas Killing Humans in the Wild. so Why do they Attack People in Captivity when they Don't in the Wild?" The SpectatorFeb 27 2010. ProQuest. Web. 2 May 2015
#76954
^Perhaps you should also do some research into the animals at Disney's Animal Kingdom. They haven't had the best record, especially in the beginning. I for one am a Seaworld supporter. I am also a theme park/amusement park enthusiast. I'm not just someone who is in fear of losing some of their favorite coasters. It is one of my home parks and I go multiple times a year and have always witnessed great treatment of their animals. Seaworld is more than just shows and thrill rides. They do a lot of good to rehabilitate various sea life. Blackfish is nothing but a propaganda piece meant for gullible people who will believe anything a so-called news network spews out (or sponsors).

If it weren't for places like Seaworld I may have never witnessed an orca, dolphin, manatee and various other marine mammals in person and close up (even though I live in FL now...I started going years before moving here). I will admit my original purpose of visiting the park was for Kraken. I had a platinum pass and was already visiting BGT and I had a Universal Pass as well. On my first trip to Orlando they were doing annual maintenance on Kraken so I didn't get to ride that trip and was quite bummed. I then turned to the various shows and was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed them & the various other exhibits. I even went back a couple more times during that 11 day trip which was not in my itinerary. While I already had a great appreciation for animal life, this made my love even greater.

I do agree their enclosures are far too small and they are expanding them soon at all 3 parks. As far as releasing the orcas, that will be sentencing them to death putting them in the wild. I know there are sanctuaries, but most were born in the park and are used to being cared for by humans. If in the future they were to phase them out of captivity, I would hope they would just stop the breeding so no more are born instead of just putting them out to fend for themselves.
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