General Carowinds discussion
By Edwardo
#19292
Or not.

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Wonder where to?
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By swampfox43
#19293
My guess would be PKD. PKI is too close to GL so it wouldn't seem logical from a guest standpoint, although it would be cheaper.
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By Jonathan
#19294
I'll guess Kings Island, and then pray that it isn't Kings Dominion.
By Edwardo
#19295
Here's the goings on for the next bit:

CP-Maverick 2007
KBF-Spinning Mack 2007
Valleyfair-Renegade 2007
Dorney-GCI 2008
Worlds of Fun-GCI 2008/2009 (Know it's coming, not sure of the date)

PGA lost their flyer
PCW has a flyer
PCAr has a flyer
PKI is close to GL, unlikely they'd move it in state (But I could be wrong)

MiA needs a new coaster
PKD just got a new coaster and is just a jaunt from SFA. Granted, they both have Spagetti Bowls, but one is indoors, the other outdoors, and most people that have been to both parks don't realize they're the same coaster. Would they open up another clone that close?

If I were to pick, I'd say MiA.
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By bgwfreak
#19296
My guess is either Dorney or PKI.

That's what I get for not going to GL in 2002. I wanted to complete my flying dutchman set next year. :lol:
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By coasterbruh
#19297
Where is the rule that states that if a park gets a coaster in one year they cant get another the next year??
By Carowinds2005
#19298
Ill put my money on PKI or WOF. Also, I believe this may be a 2008 addition do to it being kinda late in th season. But who knows PKI is close to GL so they may have time to have this ride running in 2007. :unsure:
By Edwardo
#19299
Where is the rule that states that if a park gets a coaster in one year they cant get another the next year??


It isn't a rule, but let's look at 2 things, the parks and the company running them:

Cedar Fair puts capitol where it needs it, when it needs it. Granted, they could store it, but if they were going to do that, why just disassemble it now if they didn't already have a plan to move it? And how many times has Cedar Fair added back to back coasters? Not often, and even then it wasn't 2 major coasters back to back.

It isn't going to Cedar Point. I'd bet everything I own on that.
It isn't going to Carowinds because they just got a slightly different model.
Dorney Park is getting a new coaster already in 2008. Dorney just wouldn't benifit financially from it enough to bother.
Valleyfair is getting a new wood coaster next year, and it is unlikely that they could financially pull off another major coaster so soon.
It isn't going to Geauga Lake, I guarantee you that!
Canada's Wonderland already has a flyer.
Great America got rid of almost the exact same coaster and they don't have any land to put it up anywho unless they fill in their little lake or put it in the emp. parking lot. But c'mon, they're not getting something they got rid of.
Knott's just got Silver Bullet, a major coaster, and they're getting a Mack spinner next year. Not only that, but they don't have a lot of room for this type of ride.
Worlds of Fun is getting a GCI woody either in 2008 or 2009, so that's another park down.

It isn't that they 'couldn't' put in 2 coasters back to back, but out of the previously mentioned parks, who has the financials and space to get this ride? Remember, most of the parks getting new major coasters that would have the room just don't have the financials (a large part of the reason CFEC is moving it away from a park that has/had 10 coasters and less attendance than Holiday World, with only 4 coasters). The rest of the parks have space issues and/or they have or have had a flyer, with the exception of Cedar Point. And space could be argued there, but they're not moving a used flyer from a few miles away to Cedar Point.

What does that leave?
Kings Island. I say it's unlikely to go there, but it's possible. They have the land, they have the money, and they won't have had a new actual coaster in back to back years.
Kings Dominion. They likely have the room and money, and it isn't coming next year as they're likely getting a waterpark overhaul, so it could go in in 2008. But would they want to have visibly the exact same coaster as a park only a few miles away? Sure, there's joker's jinx and flight of fear, but a lot of people don't realize it is the same layout (speaking of GP), and they are different experiences regardless. This would be the exact same experience, but still possible.
Michigan's Adventure. I think they have the space. Money could be a problem, but this would be a good addition in my opinion for them as it would be a cheap major, highly marketable new (to them) coaster.

So it isn't that a park couldn't get new coasters back to back or soon after. Heck, CF (with one or 2 exceptions) keeps their parks with new coasters every couple of years. Paramount did the same (even if they haven't given PGA anything, took stuff away from them, and added like 1000 coasters to carowinds in 6 years, it isn't the norm).

But with the way CF runs and looking at the financials, land, and marketability of the ride, only a few parks are really contenders. And I'd even add Worlds of Fun and Knott's in as possibles for later if they do indeed store the ride for a while. Mmmmaybe Valleyfair.
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By swampfox43
#19300
I say scrap the dang ride or use it for parts. Most people don't like these Vekoma pieces of crap anyway....and I know for a fact that CF isn't a fan of Vekoma.
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By bgwfreak
#19301
coasterbruh wrote: Where is the rule that states that if a park gets a coaster in one year they cant get another the next year??

It's in the Six Flags rule book.

Sec. 8, Verse 11: If thow buyest too many coasters, thow shalt goest into thine bankruptcy and not returnest there from.

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But seriously, of course a park could get coasters two years in a row, it just doesn't happen that much.

Course Carowinds got Reptar in 03 or was it 02? and Borg in 04.
By Edwardo
#19303
Carowinds is one of those parks that did add back to back (to back) coasters. SFMM did it too, but that was a mistake, and so did Geauga (4 in one year, and then a 5th, right?). But honestly, in the majority of the ones that have, how often can you look back and say that it was a good idea for them to do that?

In seven years, Carowinds received 6 coasters, only skipping one year, when they got a flat ride.

However, Carowinds is a money maker, very well ran, and needed the coasters they got. You also have to look at the types of coasters they got. A kiddie in 1998 that was needed for small children. A major coaster that was needed to be their signature coaster and was/is a huge hit in 1999. A very tame family coaster, then the next year a slightly more thrilling family coaster. Then a Jr. coaster for kids, and then finally a thrilling coaster.

And look at how Carowinds attendance went up. You have to look at what parks would benefit from X-Flight, what parks need a new thrilling coaster to market, which parks can afford it, and which parks have room for it. I'm honestly leaning more towards PKI myself. BORG 2, anyone?
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By MarkD
#19314
I just looked at pictures of it and I think they should just bring it here and add the helix and final roll over to ours. The rest could be stored for parts. Hey, why not?

Speaking of adding coasters back to back...
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By bgwfreak
#19321
A little birdy is saying that footers are popping up at PKI.

Haven't seen pics of this yet to confirm.
By Edwardo
#19326
Yeah, right now, everything points to PKI. BORG much?